Father and Son
After watching two short clips on Forever Fever - the first having the highly-favoured son announcing on his 21st birthday dinner that he was going for a sex operation; the second portraying the son who was cross-dressed (ie. man in woman's clothes) and facing his father. It is vital to remember that the son, Leslie, said that he studied Medicine only because he wanted to live up to his parents' expectations and that he actually hated the subject all along. At age 21, he has now made a decision to stop living the kind of life that his family wanted; and it is time for him to be who he really wants to be.
In Singapore, we have to face our family and society's traditional values and judgement. To Leslie, he felt that he could only be the good son that he had always wanted to be by living out his parents' dreams for him to become a doctor. His father, in the second clip, could not even recognise him when his son came home looking for 'Hock' (his elder brother) dressed up like a woman.
Likewise in our Literature story, Father and Son , Andrew was influenced by several factors around him and decided to pursue his dreams. He also cross-dressed like Leslie and even boldly entered the Oriental Queen Competition. His father chased him out of the house like the one in Forever Fever as he claimed that he could not face his friends again. To him, he has lost a son (and thus published an obituary) because (1) his son has literally turned into a female (2) he wanted to forget his son (3) his expectations and hopes of his son had died. However, it is important to note that Andrew did not fulfil his parents' expectations by doing well in school or qualifying for the Medicine School.
Reflection question:
If a close family member of relative is Andrew, how would you and your family react?
*Remember to discuss about tradititions and expectations that your family will have and why it is wrong / acceptable to have a member of the family becoming a transvesite.
88 comments:
If Andrew is my cousin , and he is gay , i don't mind....
It is wrong in my religion...
I mean who's religion allows guys to be girls anyway...
TABOO...
If Andrew wants to be a women , let him/her be...
If it makes him/her happy , it will make me happy...
Family have to be supportive right...???
BUT....it is rather embarrasing to have an "aqua" for a cousin..
My mum always told me to follow my dream....
but not untill that extend...after all life has its limits...
But how come most of the time the guys want to be girls??
I never heard about girls wanting to be guys...
****awkward****
FiThRiLiCiOuS
Hmm, nice topic Miss Ang!
At last, it is finally time for me to comment on a very nice post. =)
If I have a person in the family who is or a cousin who is gay, It would be wise to keep him in the family. Why I say that? It is because if we abandon him, we will do a very bad thing.
So, it doesn't matter if your relative or cousin is a gay. We have no rights to abandon him. It will be so evil.
I mean, it doesn't matter if people gossip about him. He is a part of our family. Family members stick together right?
I know some of the classmates will disagree with me but this is my thoughts.
Nice Topic,Miss Ang!
If were to have someone like Andrew in my house or as my cousin,i would not mind because we as family members have to stick together as one.Of course...we would feel embarassed if our friends find out and make fun of us,but after all he is still a part of the family.Do not care what others think,just ignore them.
If Andrew wants to be a girl,let him be whatever he wants to be.There is nothing we can do about it if he does not want to listen to our advice.He is still our flesh and blood.We must not treat him like a total stranger.Just treat him normally.I repeat...He is still a part of the family.
Hi guys,
Finally a new topic.
I think having a cousin who is a gay is alright as it is his choice to pursue his dream.
I think we should be more open as we are now in the 21st century and many people have changed their view about being a gay,so i think we should not look down on them.
After all they are the ones who need to face their parents,society's tradition values and jugdement and not us so we should not interfere so much about their dreams.
Most of all i will not look down on my cousin as we are one family and we should support one another.
See you guys tomorrow
Bye
This is gonna sound very unoriginal....but I still say we are gonna support him and aid him all the way he decided on the road he's gonna take.
Problem is,my mom doesn't think as
"compassionately" as I do.....
She said she wouldn't care if any close relative of hers would go to a sex operation or become an "aqua".
She did mention however,that if that person was me,she would be extremely upset.
I would also take the chance to tell people not to tell as most
humans would think now these days.
Think wisely and "compassionately"
about these things.
They are still human.
Holla !
Hmm , I would definitely not agree , and I believe that neither my family would too .
It is because we would want him to act like a guy since he's a guy , and not be a girl since he's not a girl .
My family and I would think that he should be proud because he's a guy , because it's a gift from god .
He should show appreciation and pride .
Guess thats it . (:
Bye ! =]
Ello Miss Ang,
People say that having a son is better than having daughter, because when they are old,their son will take care of them.
Parents were usually care their son more than their daughter, just like my mother.When my brother did wrong,i will usually get scolded for nothing. My mother don't even care about my asthma only care about my brother's small little cut.
If my parents heard that my brother is a sissy,she will immediately faint,and not eating for one day. After one day, my mother will use something hit my brother, and ask him BETTER not to become sissy,otherwise he going to stay at home, nothing to eat untill he know his fault. Miss Ang it true! This is my mother told me if my brother is a SISSY.
Miss Ang, i watch one show. A korean star which is a male, he changed his sex. When he like some ladies, they will thought that 'she' a lestbian. When some guys woo him, he thinks that he not a GAY.
Bye Bye... Say too much with broken english...
I will try to change his mind by saying words of encougement and try to make him proud for being a guy.But if it doesn't work,I will have to give up and see how it goes.
I won't ignore him also because he is a close relative of mine but i can't ignore that sometimes people will feel ashame to have such a relative.But If things get worse let him be what he wanted to be...
C u all
Hi miss Ang,
oh, finally the new topic is out..
regarding this topic,
erm... if its my brother(hopefully not), i will feel very disgraced about it.. although that cant blame him, but i still thiking that this fact will be hard to accept...
if its my cousins, hmm, i may feel verry disgusted about it, i will not ignore them as thats their personality...
now what i'm going to say may let people feel disgusted... i think that even though my family memeber or relative ended up like Andrew, i think that its not a bad idea as that can let them understand what girls are thinking, at least there's a common interest when talking... i really don't mind what they become to although i said that i will be disgusted about it if it really happens.. but i believe that it will not happen to my family... haha...
i will comment more if i thik more about this topic...
good luck for the others...
bye 2e1!!
-piggy-
Jolie
Maybe if you guys would state more reasons for why you're ashamed of having such a relative it might help...
Think about what if you were the transvestite.How would you feel if other people treated you that way?
If you can understand their pain,then you stop giving comments about their behavior and start thinking how to accept and relate to them.
Finally !!! A NEW TOPIC!!! =)
I have waited for this day for so
long =)
If Andrew was part of my family, for example, my older brother,
I would definitely encourage him to
change sex if he want, as, one should have their own way of thinking..
I am me, you should not interfere, i am me, i have my own way of life and one shouldn't care so much about other people or make fun of other people.
If my "brother" wants it this way,
and he don't mind what others will think, by all means, =) go for it.
One should have a supportive family members, if not, what's the point of having a family when you're even behaving like all others ??
One should learn how to become a supportive family member.=)
Even though people might start to look down on me if they found out that my "brother" is a transvesite,
I don't mind, what generation is it now anyway?
I think it's okay to change sex as sometimes i thought of changing sex to a male too.
Being a girl is too hard,
being a boy may make life easier
for most people.
I think if my cousin is a gay, my family would except him. As now ,it is the modern times.It is very common to see gays around the world or even in Singapore.My family is a very warming family,we talk the most during dinners and our dinner could even last for 1.5 hours.So, you could imagine you and your family eating for such a long dinner.
My maternal grandmother is quite different,she believes in the olden tradition. Probably because she has 10 sons and daughters!She is bias to the sons, everyone in the family knows, as some special occasions only the sons could go back to our grandmother's house to celebrate but the daughters are not allowed.
But I think that gays are common these days.They cannot be thrown out of house just because they are gays, it is unfair to them.
I think I will end my comments here. BYE!@@
hi miss ang,
To me if Andrew is my cousin i think i won't care about him.Because he is not part of my family so i won't care what he do.
If Andrew is my brother,i will feel very embarrass.But i will still try to change him back to a guy.Maybe i can try to play some boys games that all guys like to play.I can also talk to him by asking him why he want to be a girl all this kind of queation.
i have finish my comment! (:
riyan(:
tata~
Jun Xian
Hi everyone,
if my cousin is Andrew,i don't mind because only make up and dressing like a girl will make him happy.But i don't know whether family members will angry because he is a boy and yet his behaviour is like a girl.
My comments end here.
Bye!
elo...
hey you guys...come on comment more and be more responsive...2e2 is commentig more then us..we must show them that we,2e1,are changed and better!!(in a good way)...every one here has thier special points and to tell you the truth 2e2's comments are much powerful...come on you guys...prove me wrong...as for me..i think that if andrew was my cousin and he is a transexual...i would still love him and treat him with more special care and concern...i mean who care's if he's gay or ugly or disgusting??
even if you are pretty or handsome,if your heart is full of evilness,whats the point...
Never judge a book by its cover....
as long as your heart is pure aND filled with kindness and COMPASSION,no matter if you are gay or a lesbian,you will never be lonely...
that's all i have to say....
MiSsIndDePeNdEnT
Andrew is my cousin? No way! It is the worst thing that cannot be done in my religion. If Andrew is my relative, I will not tolerate it but not my family, I guess they would council him by talking to him nicely. Now, I change my mind. I will tell him how lucky he is to be a boy and the power he has as a boy.
Bye bye!!!
To Halim:Power as a boy??
i know guys rocks but this is just too weird....
To Sean: I mean that guy has power to control most of the things for example, becoming the head of the family. If you don't get it, just forget it.
I would feel really disappointed if I had a cousin like Andrew. But somehow I have to accept that fact one day. His parents would lose their hopes and dreams for their son.
In my country, it is really common to have people like Andrew. We learn to accept them and still treat them as our family member. Sure, we will feel embarassed but at least that family member did not take drugs or got into some trouble. We should realy accept them for what they want to be.
Letting everyone know about your true self and wanting to be a woman is a very courageous thing to do and the would feel really great about it. You can be your true self for the rest of your life and you wounldn't have to hide.
Jenina
Jenina, you are absolutely right!
Miss Independent:
(1)please identify yourself.
(2)please do NOT compete with 2E2. There's no prize for a winning blog with most entries.
Halim: council - an administrative assembly for consultation
counsel - advice given
To Halim: Hey Thanks!
Jenina
Time to make for lost posts and time,
here goes nothin...
To fithril:So are supportive of the idea or not??
You say you don't mind having a gay cousin,but it's wrong in your religion to gay and it's taboo.
You say he's happy being a girl,you would be happy too,but then you say it is embarrassing to have a gay for a cousin.
You say your mom always told you to follow what your dream but then you say not to that extend.
Btw,there are girls wanting to be guys.Try watching Discovery Channel or Arts Central.You'll be surprised at what you find.
I think if a close relative or family member is Andrew, I would feel nothing because eventhough he become like Andrew, he is still my family. We cannot force force him to become like normal and he is happy to be like that, so let him be that way ^^
Hi!
If Andrew is my cousin,and he is a
gay, i would feel disgusted and angry because the person whom i have been talking to,is actually an "aqua" which is a.k.a a gay. In another words,i would not accept him as my cousin because firstly,he had bring a shame to our malay society,secondly,muslims are not allowed to change their gender physically and lastly he had bring down the name of our family.(This is not a matter of some common people who want to change their gender, but this is a matter of society and religion.)
To HaLim:Power as a boy?
hey! Girls also can be power...
Hi Miss Ang,
If i have a close relative who is a transvesite i would try to keep it under covers because it is pretty shameful.Firstly i would send him to a psycologist to counsel him...If it does not work out we will have to..compromise his ideals or...well support him since he insist to be a homosexual.This will not happen anyways... YAY and thank goodness!
That will be all BYE everyone!
See you all tomorrow in school!
To An-naafi : It is a fact that boy has more muscle than a girl.
To all: Can you all stop asking me about this? Please?
As I have mention earlier during my interaction with Sean, "If you don't get it, just forget it."
yo!
To An-naafi: Yeah!Thats' right..!Girl olso got power!!(:
To Sean: I'm not sure!
its like a 70-30 you know!
70 bieng the not supportive one.
So i guess its a yes!i do support Andrew!like an-naafi said..its wrong but i have to agree with that person who said that at least he's not a murderer...so....
thats all i g0t...
IcE
p.s:this is fithri..i cannot log in my account...hehe
To Fitri: Ya, I know that girl has power but not as much as a man. I hope you understand. If you don't get it, just forget it!
To Halim : MY NAME IS NUR FITHRI!!!!!!!!!man...is it sooo hard just to say my name...not to mention pronounce it!
Besides...girls can be as strong as guys...guys can be as weak as girls too...so its fair okae..can we just forget about this topic!it has nothing to do with ms ang's topic 'Father and Son'.
IcE
Hi miss ang ! I seem late huh . It's ok . Better late than never, isn't it ? Hahaha!
My family might most probably accept him . If it's his desire, his dream to be a woman, we can't change it, can't we ? After all, it's his dream . As for myself, I'll accept him for who he is and not what he is .
Okay . Let's name an example . My cousin, though she's not a transvesite, she's those kind, what we call, "Tomboy" . She doesn't wear skirts or dresses, nor does she wear make up, earrings, or do anything like every girl does . But my family doesn't despise or leave her out . We all treat her as a normal person . Although this example isn't exactly like Andrew's situation, it's rather close .
The tradition is, guy have to act like one, and girls acting like one . But now, it's the 21st century . There's all types of people . And most of the public have learnt to accept them into our society . If the public can do it, I'm sure my family will be able to . They're not those kind of traditional, conservative people .
My comment ends here . Is it a bit off topic ? I hope not . Hahaha ! By the way , Miss ang, I've added you to my friendster list . Accept me okay ? Have to go now ! Byes !
Oh my god!
Wei Lin, how did you manage it?
you wrote such a long long comment..
never mind, i will try to win you for the next post= )
i will squeeze all my thoughts out to write the longest longest post anyone had ever seen =)
Anyway, who is missindependent?
Anybody can tell me?
including missindependent herself?
To missindependent:
hey, you sound so mysterious, who exactly are you? =)
waiting for you to tell me=)
*anticipated!
Take care people,
see you guys tomorrow (monday)
On with the advice and long review.....
To Zul:Good point on keeping the family member who is gay.Many people just chuck out that person if they ever knew he/she was changing his/her sex,especially if that person was already disfavored.
It'd be evil abandoning him....really?Well...,tell that to the people who thought it was shameful.
Nice thoughts zul,nice thoughts...
That's all for now folks!
~S
Well...,tell that to
To Nua-tasha:Glad you're also one of the kind-hearted ones...you repeat,he is still part of the family....
To brainy Hui-xuan:It's many people have changed their views dear girl...
"After all they are the ones who need to face their parents,society's tradition values and judgement and not us so we should not interfere so much about their dreams."....yes,it's a selfish thought but it's true so you people treating them badly just adds to their stress.
To fashionable Qurrah:Gift from God...interesting...
Well..since you've decided to not agree to his sex change,you think about how you can stop him and explain to him that being a guy is a gift from God blahblah blah....
That's all for now folks!
~S
To pretty Elena:Looks like your parents are still living in old days where boys are valued more than girls..
Wah,your parents would probably cleave your brother into two if they find out man...
But still,which parent doesn't care about their child?They still love you lah...oh,and your English really broken until cannot be broken anymore..
To vain but truly cute Yi Yin:Wow...you sure supportive of your cousin's actions...
Thank you for teaching us the ways of the Supportive.But please don't try changing sex.Being a boy is really,really,really much,much,much harder than you think..
To witty San:Heyhey!You share my thoughts exactly man!
Counsel first,then ask whether he has decided.And it's people would feel "Ashamed" if...but yes keeping him down this dark road is indeed bad for both the family and changing family member.
That's all for now folks!
~S
here's talking to Sean : yeah . sure.
of course i would .
at least i'll TRY to .
:D
Wow, looks like Sean is taking over my work! Hah.
Hahaha!!
Ms Ang, I guess you dont need to blog because Sean is taking over!
To Sean: Wow, you can become a teacher when you get older. Are you following Ms Ang's steps? I mean looking up to her as someone who you want to be?
Hi guys!
To miss ms ang:I think you can take a break and do not have to give any comments because there is a new teacher in town...MR TAN...haha!!
Me?
A teacher?...
Miss Ang always complains about my untucked shirt,untied laces,how dirty i am and why i'm always not passing up homework...maybe that's a makings of a teacher..haha.
By the way Miss Ang,the cilp about Father and Son is really too short,could you show it to us again ,the whole film if possible?....plz??
"new teach in training",
MR TAN
P.S:I'll be replying more later on...
Yes, Mr Tan.
The two clips were incomplete and I hope to show them to you guys again.
Mr Zookeeper, have you informed the General Office about the spoilt projector in class? It is really a hassle to book and bring you noisy chatterboxes to the AV! Haha...
HarHarHar!!!
heez.. emm ..
Mr Tan ..
after i read ur post,,
guess wad am i feeling now?
i felt like hacking u with the biggest chopper i can find in my house =)
u said i am VAIN!!!!
how dare you!!
i am not okay?
u watch out mr tan..
don't think that because you a
teacher i don't dare hack you..
harharhar!!
just kidding =)
i don't like the vain part =)
but for the truly cute part=)
i really have to say =)
that's exactly what i thought =)
harharhar!!
juz kidding again =)
Qurrah, tell me the song of your blog again can ?? please =)
i forgot the title..
sorry..
harharhar!
Hmm...Well
I and Terence inform about the spoilt projector two times. I hope it will be fixed soon because I want to see the video!
to:sandy@@
your 'except' is supposed to be 'accept'.i dont know whether you fail your english or not!!!
to freedom:
this topic is about father and son!!!!!!!!!Not about the spoiled projector!!!!!!!1
hello...
shanhui here...
If Andrew is my cousin...
I WOULD TRY TO SEND HIM TO A BOYS' SCHOOL TO MIX AROUND MORE WITH THE BOYS AND I WOULD CONFINE HIM IN HIS ROOM ASKING HIS BOYS FRIEND TO COME OVER AND STAY IN THE ROOM WITH HIM AND MAYBE COUNSEL HIM TOO... IF IT DOESN'T WORK THEN I WOULD SEND HIM TO THE DOCTORS TO HAVE A CHECK AND SEE WHERE IT GOES WRONG.WE WILL GO ACCORDING TO WHAT THE DOCTORS THINK AND TRY TO COUNSEL HIM IN A WAY THAT THE DOCTORS SUGGEST...
hahax...
shanhui...
I think it is fine to have a gay as a cousin.I mean if he wants to a women
,who can stop him ?I would give him my support ,but of couse I hope he would change his mind .
Please don't use the word 'gay' as it represents a relantionship between a male with another male. But Andrew isn't like that. The correct word is 'transvesite'.
Freedom is my another account, sorry for the inconvience..
To An-naafi: Ms Ang asked me about the projector. I have to answer the question right? I can't ignore, that will be rude.
I have already posted the answer for this topic..
To Shan Hui: Please don't use capital letters because it is quite irritating and I have to close half of my eyes just to look at the capital letters..
Anybody stop spamming the place!!
What we should be doing is posting useful comments on this blog not post remove post remove...please be more considerate to the people who are viewing not to meantion Miss Ang.
And to Zul:Shan Hui can't do a day without screaming,even online so just let her be.
To Sean: You are so bad to Shan Hui!
To Halim:Halim....too much com spoils the eyes you know...
to YiYin : the song title is Real Love .
:D
Qurrah,please make comments related to the topic....
If Andrew is my relative or whatever, I think it would be alright for him to be transvestite.
Being an transvestite is just a psychological thinking due to your growing environment. Anyway, who would want their child to be transvestite? Bet that no one whould want that!
It's not Andrew's fault that he has became a transvestite. It's his parent's fault.
I think i would treat Andrew better even though he is a transvestite. It would be good to have such a docile relative!! It's rare to find some one like that now..!
I'll just end here and people.. I AM NOT MENTAL! For thinking like that!!! HAHAHAHAHA!!!
back again! ^-^
to Shan Hui: Aren't you a little.. overreacting??
to An-nafi: stop insulting people and go teach your history!!
okay , Mr Sean Tan . sorry . :D
hey,
not interrupting in things goin on here..
To: Mr Tan, its not only Qurrah's fault to comment about other topic.. In the first place, Yi Yin asked Qurrah about things not relating to the topic... Are you trying to be biased or what?? And you are the one always commenting in this blog like no one cares... although its related to the topic but you did too much...
To: Yi Yin
i don't mean to say you but you are also partially in the wrong.. sorry for letting you think that i'm scolding you.. please don't do things like that again... go to the topic.. or you want to ask Qurrah unrelated stuffs, you can call her...
To: Jia lee
i can agree with you on your first post.. but please don't use this blog to scold people.. and i can't see anything An-naafi used was to insult people... please look carefully.. he was trying to correct things out.. this is eng.. no history!!!
thats all..
i'm not scolding anyone or insulting anyone here.. if i did let you guys think that, i'm sorry...
And the blogger world goes into chaos without me or Miss Ang watching....
And i have no idea how to reply or cut into any of these bloggies....excuse me for now....i just ran 48 floors twice...
Whew!
Now that i've caught my breath,it's time for replying.
To Jia Lee:um...........i've no idea..
To Qurrah:Apology excepted.Nice of you to pop by the party yesterday too...
To my little piggy:um.............i......oh never mind.
To Sean: Don't be rude by calling anyone piggy.
Halim.. i don think Sean is rude callin anyone piggy.. maybe some ppl enjoy being called piggy.. u shouldnt hab said that.. ^_^..
sorry for the extra comments...
-Jolie-
ya....that's what i was about to say but oh never mind...
Hope theres a new post soon...
hey ya'll...
todays lesson wasn;t fun without ms ang right...sooo boaring...
hahax..
FiThRiLiCiOuS
heez =)
yucks!
mummy scold me =(
i gonna cry ..
*sob, whine!
anyway..
sean ..
sorry about it ..
i don not think that i can on9 for our 8pm spamming deal.
i got to go ..
bye!
and yeah..
i will take note ..
i would not ask irrelevant questions again ..
my fault..
take care people! =)
cya in sch! =)
``CraZiiE Ah YiiN``
If Andrew was my cousin, I would urge him to change his/her ways. Boys should be strong and muscular by nature not soft and girly. If he/she still does not want to change his/her ways , than I no other choice but to let him/her be what he/she wants to be. We should not try to go against nature.
People,the last blog has finally opened up to the public...i mean,to our beloved class members!
Don't forget to post!
Hi guys, Yong Yi here. I couldn't log in to my account.
If Andrew was my cousin,and he is a gay,i would encourage him to change his mind but if he still insists to be a woman,i wont force him but i hope he won't regret for his decision.
Hi guys, Aileen here. I couldn't log in to my account.
I would not blame my cousin as it is his choice to be what he likes to be.As long he is happy i would support him.
bye
hi miss ang,
I think we should support him as a family. If that is really what he wants to be,then let it be.I think letting him do what he wants as compared to forcing him will make him happier.
As now we are living in the 21st century, I think we should have a different concept of people being transvesites. We should not treat them differently as all humans have feelings,it will hurt them. Actually they are no different from you and me in terms of the level of intelligence and abilities.
There are consequences for everything. Since they have already decided,then they shall be responsible for it.They have to take a step of faith to let their family know and be prepared for how the society will judge them.
If Andrew is my cousin and he is a gay,i will feel kind of weird because a male should never act like a female ! It surely will bring a lots of shame to our family once the neighbours and relatives known about it.
Also it will be very embarassing for me to have a gay and sissy cousin !
novi.
Sorri,i not Elena. I'm using Elena's account.
Miss Ang,
I think i would let him become the person he wants to be, if he decide to be like that.
But i woulded be really shocked to know that one of my closerelative is actually a GAY!!!
~By:Debbie~
If Andrew is my relatives , I wont mind . Yet , I agree with him as he did what he wants in his life . Andrew did nothing wrong about having his own dreams . Upon seeing him happy , I feel good too . I believe my family will agree with me as they always support their family's decisions .
aMaBeLLe..
If Andrew was my cousin,i will advise him not to be a gay as it is not normal for a boy to be girlish,but if he insists on being one,i shall respect his decision.
I will help him to become a boy ,if he still becomes like a girl ,i will chase him out of my family.
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